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  Shunning Disfellowshipped & Apostate family Members. Scriptural?

  by objectivetruth in

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  anyone who is a witness or was previously a witness, is aware of the written & un-written rules concerning association with disfellowshipped family members.. there are a multitude of quotes through out the watchtower publications, but these 2 will suffice.. "are you proving yourself holy by not associating with family members or others who are disfellowshipped?

  "the clear instruction in the bible is: avoid them.

  that means that we have to stay away from them... the bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them... what must we do to avoid false teachers?

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  "Are you proving yourself holy by not associating with family members or others who are disfellowshipped?" (WS14 11/15 pp.15-20)

  The title of the article is apostate because the bible says over and over: "There is no one righteous, no not one".
  
  
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  What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.

  jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".

  those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".

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  The Parable of the Hidden Treasure – Matthew 13:44

  The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid; and from joy over it he goes and sells all he has, and buys that field.

  A study of the Mt. 13 kingdom parables is a fascination study. The characters remain the same throughout the various parables. Jesus is the "man". The world is the field. The treasure is Israel which is in the world.

  In order for Jesus to finally receive his throne in Israel, the one promised to him, he had to buy the whole world with everything he had... his life to get it. Once that was done, the kingdom existed in a mystery form in the hearts of believers.... a place not at first discernible, hidden in the "earth".
  
  Later, when Jesus returns, the kingdom will be visible, tangible, in Israel with Jesus sitting on the throne of David.

  During the church age, or since the days of the apostles, Christians teach a gospel of reconciliation. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached by Israel (144K male virgins) during the great tribulation after the church has be evacuated. It is an Israeli message, whereas the gospel of reconciliation is a directed to "whosoever".
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  107 Year Old Horse Shit

  by BettyHumpter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yfzpgdjgen4" title="youtube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>.

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  Sea Breeze

  Russell says at 3:52: 15 - "not a passage of scripture" teaches that there will be a resurrection of the body.

  Except for these.
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  1915 Millennial Dawnism!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1915 millennial dawnism,the blasphemous religion which teaches,the annihilation of jesus christ, by i. m. haldeman, d.d.

  pastor, first baptist church: broadway and 79th street, new york, n.y..click the link by the blue arrow.,http://www.sendspace.com/file/n9cmir..petra

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  Sea Breeze

  Atlantis,

  Do you have a better link for this publication?

  I found this one. But is poor quality.
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  Hypothetical Bible question for Christians

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although not stated, is it possible that satan issued a challenge regarding adam & eve, just as he did with job?.

  reason i ask: if you made something "perfect", why would you unnecessarily subject it to a trial/test?.

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  If YOU made something "perfect", why would you UNNECESSARILY subject it to a trial/test?

  Why do you assume it was UNNECESSARY?

  "I would not have known sin except through the law"
  

  "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to that by which we were bound, so that we may serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter of the law."
  
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  Pursue Peace Assembly 2022 .. Joseph shares stories about his Bible days

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pursue peace assembly 2022 shows a resurrected, newly shaven joseph, the son of jacob and rachel, having a nice dinner at a beautiful restaurant in the new system.

  the survivors of armageddon all want to know if joseph can share stories about his life.. ''can you tell us what egypt was like?

  what was pharaoh like?''.

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  The survivors of Armageddon all want to know if Joseph can share stories about his life.. ''Can you tell us what Egypt was like? What was Pharaoh like?''

  Why don't they just ask Pharaoh themselves? I thought that everyone paid for their sins when they died gets a do-over in the new system.
  
  
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  Sarah Kellen - Victim or Vixen?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sarah kellen has been described as jeffery epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.. kellen’s [jehovah's witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.. the split with her family came after kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:.

  sarah’s parents told the daily mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.. so, is she a victim or a sly fox?.

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  Here's my take:

  To JW Parents Lurking Here: DON'T BE STUPID. If you shun your teenage kids and deny them family and love, don't be surprised where they end up. There are many people waiting in line to pick up what you have discarded.

  Anyone else here get shunned at an early age? How did that effect you?
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  Sarah Kellen - Victim or Vixen?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sarah kellen has been described as jeffery epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.. kellen’s [jehovah's witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.. the split with her family came after kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:.

  sarah’s parents told the daily mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.. so, is she a victim or a sly fox?.

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  Sarah Kellen has been described as Jeffery Epstein's 'lieutenant' for allegedly sourcing and booking girls for 'massages'.

  Kellen’s [Jehovah's Witness] parents said they knew almost nothing about what their daughter’s duties involved because they became estranged from her at around the time she took the job with Epstein when she was aged 18 or 19.

  The split with her family came after Kellen was thrown out of the church for allegedly leading an “immoral” lifestyle:

  Sarah’s parents told the Daily Mail they love her and would welcome her back as long as she rejoins the church and shows them she’s committed to the faith.

  So, is she a victim or a sly fox?

  
  
  
  

  
  
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  Do you pray?

  by Fisherman in

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  i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

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  I’ve always had a personal relationship with God

  @Fisherman - scripture says that "if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his".

  Have you been born again with a new spirit?
  
  
  
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  Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking a bit about this the other day.

  ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.

  some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....

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  Unlike Joseph Smith, Mary Eddy Baker, and other false teachers, Russell did not rely on visions or other extra-biblical revelation. Rather, he simply misinterpreted the Bible and was an accomplished liar when characterizing other Christians like in his world tour vacation to "investigate" missionaries.

  He set the framework and tone for people like Rutherford, who just followed in his footsteps.

  While claiming to be a Christian who was restoring the faith of the New Testament, he denied many key Christian doctrines including the tri-partite nature of man, the triune nature of God, the existence of the Holy Spirit, Russell held that the soul simply ceases to exist after death.

  As with Arius centuries before, he held that Jesus was a created being, and was actually Michael the Archangel in disguise. He taught that Jesus rose only spiritually rather than physically. He denied the divinity of Jesus.

  These flip flops about Jesus as Mediator are documented by JW Facts:

  Russell appears to have been thoroughly confused about the role of mediator. At times he felt that the 144,000 were not under the new covenant, at other times that they were under the New Covenant. When he taught that they were not under the New Covenant it followed that they did not need a mediator and that they (along with Jesus) played role of mediator for mankind.

  • Up to 1880 Russell taught that Jesus and the body of Christ (the 144,000) mediated for mankind, so the 144,000 were not included in the New Covenant.

  "It should be remembered that we are in him heirs of glory, not under the new covenant, which is still future, but in the Abrahamic covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Feb p.72

  • Russell changed his mind and from 1881 to 1907 said the Church is included in the New Covenant

  "In a sense, the operation of the new covenant begins with the Gospel church and lifts us from the plane of degradation and sin-to a justified or reckoned perfect condition, from which we can go forward in the narrow way, becoming heirs of the first covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Sep p.151

  • In 1907, Russell re-introduced his teaching that the new covenant is not made with the church at all.

  "It was very inconsistent for us to quote in one breath the Apostle's statement that we are members of the Isaac Seed, the children of the old, original Covenant, and then in the next breath to class ourselves as beneficiaries of the New Covenant." Zion's Watch Tower 1909 Jan 1 p.12 (See also Zion's Watch Tower 1909 Apr 1 p.110)

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  The significance of these heresies cannot be overstated. They directly affect a persons' salvation.

  1. Scriptures says if we deny Jesus' bodily resurrection, then we have no hope.

  2. If Jesus was really Michael the Archangel, then somebody has false faith in the wrong Jesus.

  3. If Jesus isn't our Mediator, then we cannot be Justified (declared righteous)

  I always wondered where the outcry and pushback was from the Christian community when Russell started publishing his heresies. Scriptures are clear like in Gal. 1: 8-9 that if anyone preaches a different gospel than what the apostles preached, that they are double cursed in the bible.
  
  A lot of exjws don't know that the elder/pastor/deacon requirement of being "a husband of one wife" is taken quite literally and quite seriously, even today, by many churches. You simply cannot hold one of those offices if you have been married more than once. So, the divorce was just another point on which to inform the public.
  
  Early Christian leaders were discipled directly by the apostles. Then, early schools were set up in Antioch and Alexandria to make sure the faith was not perverted as it passed from one person to another. Usually Christian leaders studied under someone or some institution that could vouch for their orthodoxy. But Russel just popped up and announced that everyone except for himself was a fraud and that people had no hope unless they listened to him.

  Rutherford, other WT presidents, and all JW's today preach the EXACT SAME THING just as Russell taught.

  Russell, Rutherford and the WT organization as a whole perfectly fit the description of a false Christ (Savior).